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Mark Lambert talks with Matt Gaspers about the implications of a heretical Pope. Can there be such a thing? What would make him so? How can it be dealt with?

In this conversation, Mark Lambert and Matt Gaspers delve into the complexities of papal infallibility, particularly in the context of Pope Francis's papacy. They explore historical teachings on the nature of the papacy, the opinions of St. Robert Bellarmine regarding heresy, and the implications of Vatican I's definitions. The discussion highlights the need for church authority in determining the status of a pope accused of heresy, contrasting Jesuit and Dominican perspectives on the matter. In this conversation, Matt Gaspers and Katherine Bennett delve into the complexities surrounding the declaration of a heretical pope, the role of the church hierarchy, and the current crisis of leadership within the Catholic Church. They discuss the implications of Vatican II, the growing coldness towards truth, and the need for clear doctrinal guidance to address the challenges faced by the church today. The dialogue highlights the importance of unity within the hierarchy and the necessity for a robust response to heresy, emphasizing the historical context and ongoing struggles within the church.
takeaways
The papacy of Pope Francis raises questions about heresy.
St. Robert Bellarmine's opinions provide historical context.
Vatican I defined specific criteria for papal infallibility.
A pope can err but retains his office unless declared otherwise.
The church hierarchy must be involved in addressing heresy.
Bellarmine's teachings reject the idea of automatic deposition for heresy.
The distinction between secret and public heresy is crucial.
The Jesuit and Dominican schools offer differing views on papal authority.
The church's visibility is affected by heretical claims against a pope.
Historical examples illustrate the complexities of papal authority. The church must establish the crime of heresy through warnings.
Christ severs the bond between a heretical pope and his office.
The hierarchy's involvement is crucial in declaring pertinacity.
A general council of the church is needed to address heresy.
Factionalization within the church has led to a loss of orthodoxy.
Signs of the end times include a growing coldness towards truth.
The current crisis in the church reflects a lack of leadership.
Clear doctrinal guidance is essential for addressing modern issues.
The legacy of Vatican II has contributed to the current crisis.
The church must condemn errors and articulate the truth clearly.
titles
Understanding Papal Infallibility
The Papacy and Heresy: A Deep Dive
Pope Francis: Heretic or Not?
St. Robert Bellarmine's Teachings on the Papacy
The Role of the Church in Papal Authority
Exploring the Five Opinions on Papal Heresy
Sound Bites
"Francis is a public heretic."
"A true pope can never become a heretic."
"The Pope retains his office even in heresy."
"The hierarchy must issue a declaration."
"A manifest heretic cannot be Pope."
"Christ authoritatively severs the bond."
"We need the entire hierarchy to be involved."
"We're suffering from a factionalization."
"The love of many will grow cold."
"We've lost our courage as Catholics."
"It's a crisis of leadership, isn't it?"
"That's what we're missing in the church today."