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In this conversation, Katherine Bennett and Gavin Ashenden explore a prayer attributed to Pope Francis, discussing its legitimacy and implications for Catholic identity. They delve into the role of media in shaping perceptions of truth, the relationship between democracy and Catholicism, and the church's response to state authority. The dialogue raises critical questions about the nature of faith, governance, and the importance of truth in contemporary society. In this conversation, Katherine Bennett, Gavin Ashenden, and Mark Lambert discuss the implications of Vatican II on the Catholic Church's authority, its teachings, and its relevance in contemporary society. They explore the tensions between modernity and tradition, the role of the Pope, and the challenges posed by secularism and potential authoritarian regimes. The discussion highlights the complexities of interpreting Vatican II and its impact on the Church's mission in a rapidly changing world.

00:00 Introduction
00:38 A Prayer penned by Pope Francis?
02:54 Why are we so ready to believe the 'Social Prayer' of Pope Francis?
04:27 The Importance of an Origin Story
06:43 Ideas deeply at odds with Catholic Identity
07:11 Attacks from within the Church
08:00 Power of the media 'creating' truth
09:05 The issue of Truth and the distortion through media
11:40 Article by Sebastian Morello
12:46 Why can't we criticise democracy?
16:30 The Sovereignty of Christ
19:06 Social Order has broken down
23:15 The implications of Dignitatis Humanae