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In this conversation, Katherine Bennett and Mark Lambert reflect on the recent death of Pope Francis, discussing the implications of his papacy, the significance of his burial choices, and the ongoing challenges within the Catholic Church. They explore the tension between tradition and simplicity, the role of symbols in the papacy, and the need for a deeper understanding of mercy. The discussion also touches on the autocratic nature of Pope Francis' leadership and the importance of honesty in evaluating his legacy. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for faithful Catholics to engage with the church's teachings and traditions while navigating the complexities of modernity.

Pope Francis' burial choices reflect his emphasis on simplicity and humility.
The tradition of papal burial involves multiple coffins symbolizing different aspects of the Pope's life.
Symbols in the Church serve to point to the divine and should not be dismissed as meaningless.
Dining with sinners should lead to conversion, not complacency in sin.
The papacy of Pope Francis has challenged traditional Catholic teachings and practices.
Honesty in discussing the Pope's legacy is crucial for faithful Catholics.
The Church's divine nature can never err, despite human failings.
Modernism has impacted the understanding of Catholic practices and traditions.
The Church must engage with society while maintaining its teachings.
Faithful Catholics should focus on personal growth and community involvement.